Yesterday I mentioned that last week we met with Dr. Braverman for our initial consultation. This included a review of our history, a sonogram and colour flow doppler study and having our blood drawn for the immunological blood tests to be completed – 15 vials for me, 3 vials for my husband. So, today I’m giving the details of our preliminary findings.
First up, our impressions of Dr. B:
- Our appointment times were rather frustrating, and given we traveled so far, I wish things could have been better planned. Our blood testing was at 1pm. We then had an hour gap before our 2:30pm appointment with Dr. B. His office is in the middle of an automobile designed commercial center which is hard to get to for those relying on public transportation and taxis – so we had nothing to do to kill time. He was then almost 40 minute late for our actual appointment, so we missed the train back into NYC and got to wait for the next train at the station for an hour. This was by no means a big deal, but did resulted in an unnecessarily long day of waiting.
- He reinforced our suspicions that our current RE providing us with unacceptable care and advice. There are substantial gaps in the RPL workup we received when compared to standard testing in the USA. (Personally I’m not convinced the sub-par testing is a Canadian thing. I suspect it is more likely a direct result of an uninterested RE). And Dr. B also confirmed that there are substantial problems with the advice we are currently receiving. More on this below.
- We are confident that Dr. B and his team will uncover the complete list of reasons causing our losses.
- We generally liked Dr. B. His sense of humor fits with ours. The latent sarcasm on both my part and his when discussing our RE’s current plan was woven throughout our conversations and was entertaining (FYI, I am an incredibly sarcastic person with a dry/dark sense of humor). In addition, Dr. B is candid, honest, and gets straight to the point. As we have no patience left for game playing and guessing we really appreciate his approach.
Our loss history indicates a few things specifically related to reproductive immunological issues:
- A septic miscarriage is a significant indicator of immune issues according to multiple scientific studies.
- Given that our genetic testing and karyotyping is all healthy and 3 of our miscarriages have had confirmed fetal heart rates, the cause of our miscarriages are unlikely to be genetic issues. Research indicates that once a fetal heart rate is detected in more than one loss, it becomes virtually impossible that the cause of all our losses is the result of poor random alignment of chromosomes. Further, the likely cause is an immunological reaction occurring within my body.
My immunological history indicates a few things specifically related to reproductive immunological issues:
- I have a sever allergy to grass, which has been brought under control with 4 years of allergy shots (thanks to my amazing local immunologist).
- I had medically induced lupus 12 years ago, with absolutely no occurrence since the drug responsible was removed from my system (it took 9 months for my body to fully recover).
- Of course my local RE does not see either of these facts as important. Both of these factors strongly indicate that I likely have an immunological response occurring within my body when I’m pregnant.
- The immunological cause of hypothyroidism, which I have had under control since a random blood test discovered it in 2009), also causes endometriosis. I cannot remember the specific problem, but what is noteworthy is that they are caused by the exact same internal problem. So, while I have no symptoms of endometriosis, this definitely points towards non-symptomatic endometriosis.
The sonogram and colour flow doppler study indicated a few more things:
- Blood flow to my uterus is highly restricted. In fact, I have some of the lowest blood flow to my uterus that Dr. B has ever seen. This is bad, like really bad! I have never had a sonogram with a doppler measuring blood flow before – apparently this test is considered standard by most doctors working with RPL patients. Multiple scientific studies correlate this with intrauterine growth restriction (IUGR), which is a leading cause of fetal demise.
- My uterine lining shows problems. It is not forming correctly as it is improperly shaped and too thin for my cycle date. As my current RE has never tracked me through an entire cycle, so this is new information.
- The problems of blood flow and poor lining indicate sever non-symptomatic endometriosis. Given that my sonohysterogram come back showing my uterus to be completely fine, he suspects this is the result of sever non-symptomatic endometriosis and not scar tissue from my 2 D&C’s. There are about 50 documented cases of sever non-symptomatic endometriosis cases presenting in the same way that I am. That said, the only way to know is through surgery.
- This cycle, I am producing follicles at the rate of someone who is currently taking stimulation medications such as clomid or letzerol. In fact, I am producing 3 follicles this cycle – indicating that we could have ended up with triplets naturally!
We also spoke to Dr. B about a few of the recommendations we are receiving from our current RE:
- Our RE is suggesting clomid/letzerol (and possibly IVF eventually) to encourage the production of more eggs. Dr. B felt this was absurd and not even worth discussing at this point. Clearly we get pregnant easily, and evidently my body is able to produce multiple eggs all on its own. And, as we suspected, taking these medications or doing IVF will not help reduce our chances of miscarriage.
- Our RE’s current practice is to start prometrium once a pregnancy is confirmed. Once we begin trying again, Dr. B absolutely recommends that I take prometrium starting 4 days after I detect an LH surge. This must be done, but is likely not the only reason we have experienced so many losses.
- Acupuncture will not hurt our chances, but there is no proof that it will help.
- Chinese Traditional Medicine will not hurt our chances, but there is no proof that it will help. That said, he wants me to stay away from herbal supplements.
- Our RE does not believe in a link between miscarriage and gluten. Our immunologist has recommended reducing my intake significantly. Dr. B suggests remove gluten completely from my diet. 80% is not good enough – it needs to be 100%.
- Currently, as long as we are trying and/or pregnant I am banned from engaging in anything more strenuous then walking our dog. Dr. B believes this is crazy, and recommends that I can engage in non-high impact activities – I am allowed to run for 30 minutes a day, but I am not allowed to train for marathons. This means, I can officially start running and cycling again! (I’m disappointed that it is now October and snow will fall soon enough forcing me inside, but I will still take it).
Dr. B’s initial recommendations:
- I have to have a laproscopy and hysterocopy with a skilled surgeon before we can try again. This is a must given the significant problems within my uterus and the high likelihood of endometriosis. He suggests having the surgery now, rather than waiting for the blood results.
- IVIG will almost be guaranteed to be a requirement for us to achieve a successful pregnancy given the likelihood of immunological issues. That said, this cannot be confirmed until we receive the results of the blood tests.
Our Next Steps:
- We will not proceed with the surgery until we have the complete results. If we cannot afford the rest of the requirement treatment, then there would be no point on having surgery. Additionally, as Canadians with no USA medical insurance, we are almost certain we will not have the surgery in the US given the potential for complications from the surgery itself or the recovery. The costs of any unforeseen complications would have the potential to financial ruin us. We can and will look for a qualified surgeon in our Province, but it could take a few years to get a referral, and it is also unlikely that they will do a surgery for non-symptomatic endometriosis given that only 50 similar documented cases exist. Ultimately given all of this we rationally know that the chances of this surgery happening in our future is slim to none.
- If we cannot afford the full recommended treatment, it is unlikely we will proceed with another attempt. I have no desire to half ass it, just to have another miscarriage. I’m so done with having miscarriage after miscarriage after miscarriage. Right now, I cannot imagine jumping onto a partial protocol that will not have significantly better results then what we have already been doing. It’s one thing to risk another miscarriage knowing we are using the best possible medical protocol, it’s another thing to try with a half attempt. Note that at this point we have not discussed the financial constraints with Dr. B – we intentionally have left this out of the conversation as we want to know exactly what treatment he would design in a perfect world without any constraints.
- We will continue to actively not try until we know receive the full results and recommended protocol design.
- We will be looking more seriously at adoption again. We still have significant concerns, and very real fears. I am not sure that we will overcome these and choose adoption, but we need to be certain in our decision and more thought and investigation is warranted.
- I will be researching surrogacy options and costs. Now that we understand that our problems are with me and not a genetic flaw in our babies, surrogacy is suddenly a much more real possibility. Surrogacy in Canada is hard because it is illegal to pay a surrogate, so if we choose surrogacy we will likely turn to international surrogacy.
- Our full results and recommended protocol will take up to 6 weeks to receive. So, in that time we will not make any final decisions on anything, because we don’t have the complete picture. That said, I know my husband and I are both bracing for the worst as all the preliminary findings paint a rather bleak picture. We both understand that this could very well mean the end for our attempts to have a successful pregnancy.
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We went with so much hope. We returned with less hope then we’ve ever had.
We have learned so much, and yet so little is certain.
Today, we are surrounded by so much uncertainty.
The end may be in sight.
Now to focus the thoughts running through my mind, into something more than the ramblings of a crazy person.
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We went to New York. We had so much hope. Hope for an answer. Hope for a solution. Hope.
We saw Dr. Braverman. We are 100% confident that he will determine all the answers. And now, we are also pretty confident that the required solutions will be unattainable for us.
I say all of the answers, because the preliminary tests combined with our history indicates that everything that could be wrong, is likely wrong. The answer will be complex.
He believes he can fix it all. A surgery or two, a magical concoction of medications with varying risks, and a small bit of good luck should do the trick.
But, as a Canadian with no USA medical insurance, we simply cannot take the risk of having surgery in the US. While, we may be able to find the money for the surgery itself, if something goes wrong with the surgery or the recovery it would have the potential to absolutely bankrupt us. And, right now, I am certain that it’s just not an option for us. We can and will look for a surgeon here, but it could be a multiple year wait to get in to even see the surgeon, and there are no guarantees that they would even agree to do the surgery.
And the magical concoction of drugs – well, we don’t know the details on that right now, we have to wait for the blood analysis for the precise details. But, given my immunological history, Dr. B highly expects that IVIG will be a requirement – not a recommendation, but a requirement. If you go back to my post on my initial post on immunology and recurrent pregnancy loss, the costs of IVIG alone could easily be upwards of $100,000, and that won’t even include the travel costs of multiple trips to NYC. Again, no USA insurance means this will all be out of pocket. And, we also know, based on my digging around here for a few months, IVIG will be next to impossible to get locally. And, remember, this is just the costs of one of the drugs that would be required. I am completely certain that there will be more drugs involved, and I cannot even begin to guestimate the total cost.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. My husband and I are two unbelievably pragmatic people. The idea of bankrupting ourselves, and mortgaging our financial future when there are no guarantees that it will work, seems like an impossibility to both of us.
So, does this mean adoption is back on the table? Very likely.
Does this mean surrogacy might be our best solution? Possibly. But, as a Canadian, this is a bit of challenge. Without a volunteer surrogate, we cannot do surrogacy in our own country (it is illegal to pay for a surrogate in Canada, so you pretty much have to find a willing friend, and how does one actually do that?). So, we would be looking at international IVF and surrogacy – having not done extensive research on this subject yet, I can only assume it will have a significant price tag given the international travel, IVF with CCS and surrogacy arrangements.
How do I/we digest it all and start to make sense out of everything?
We know we have to wait to see everything that Dr. B and his team determine based on the results of all the tests. But make no mistake, we have already learned a lot, and we know it’s looking pretty bad.
So, if I go back to the initial reason we decided to seek Dr. B’s expertise – what we really needed from Dr. B was a reason, and he has given us that. And, now I know, with just with the information we received so far, that I would have peace knowing that the next try wasn’t going to be the one. Just aimlessly trying was never going to work. So, logically, I now I know, if we choose to stop trying based on this, we can live knowing we tried everything and we had to stop given Dr. B’s prognosis and the financial and potential emotional costs of success.
Regardless of the exact outcome, I am fairly confident that this marks some sort of a critical moment in time for us.
In many ways, I think we are currently at our lowest point in all of this so far. Hope is all but gone for the moment. I don’t know when hope will come back. I don’t know if this marks some sort of a turning point for us. I am pretty sure that my current break away from hope is just temporary.
While I may end up giving up our dream of having children, I am not ready to give up on hope. A life without hope is a dark life. It will not be my life. And so, I am certain that this is not the end of our story.
I am confident that hope is simply a butterfly cocooning to find her wings.
Hope will return.
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P.S. I know this is short on the exact details of the preliminary findings. I will post on that, just not right now.
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